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Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

In the whirling rage thread, Noir wrote:Quote:Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack. The better replaces the worse.He further specified thatQuote:This is different from named bonuses...

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Re: Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

But you don't need a rule that multiple effects from the same spell don't stack to get that result. All you need is the named stacking rules.Is the rule really "multiple effects from the same spell...

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Re: Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

In this case (things like NWN mage armor), you get them all because they have different names, natural, deflection, dodge, and something.Now pop on your ring of protection +2 and it overlaps with the...

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Re: Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

SRD:Quote:StackingIn most cases, modifiers to a given check or roll stack (combine for a cumulative effect) if they come from different sources and have different types (or no type at all), but do not...

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Re: Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

PrinceThe quote you posted suggests to me that the bonuses shouldn't stack. My reasoning is this:According the SRD, effects must have different sources AND be of different types to stack. So...The...

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Re: Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

But you don't need a rule that multiple effects from the same spell don't stack to get that result. All you need is the named stacking rules.You need the rule because of spells and effects that grant...

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Re: Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

The spell "experimental armor C" grants a +1 natural armor bonus and a +1 deflection bonus to armor. They don't stack because:1) They come from the same sourceExcept, you are applying a different...

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Re: Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

The confusion is this. There are two rules. One determines when SPELLS stack. The other determines when BONUSES stack. This is made clear elsewhere in the SRD (Combining Magical Effects):Stacking...

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Re: Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

Quote:The SRD gives the example of "same spell, cast multiple times" as the same source. Your example does not have that aspect, it just has a single source that has two separate effectsSo if there...

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Re: Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

Yes, that is a technical issue, one that has been observed before with spells like energy resistance. Five castings, one for each energy type, but only the most recent is in effect?Personally, I just...

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Re: Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

Edit: By the way, it seems really weird to me that the "same spell cast multiple times" is one source, but a single spell is not the same source.But, if you are casting it multiple times, (say Cat's...

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Re: Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

How about being hit by multiple acid arrow spells?I rule that the cummulative dmg of only one is applied._______________________ Remember a kingIn a story you've seen.To whom was he married?He's wed...

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Re: Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

In the case of multiple acid arrows, they don't stack but they do still cause damage; they just don't combine.It's just that if you get (say) 4 and 7 damage from the arrows and you have Acid Resist 5,...

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Re: Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

The reason why the spell-stacking rule exists is, as previously mentioned, because not all spells give a type for the bonus. To ensure that the application of the rule is clear, I'll describe it in...

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Re: Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

In the acid arrow case, you are being affected by two spells simultaneously: each round, you would take the higher damage amount of the two. Interstingly enough, fear effects seem to be an exception ....

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Re: Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

In the acid arrow case, you are being affected by two spells simultaneouslySo? Damage always 'stacks'. But, As ND said, you apply each damage separately in case of stuff like energy resistance.Plus,...

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Re: Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

There are other, similar cases for the Acid Arrow, too. With a Wounding weapon, the bleeding damage is cumulative. Or consider a twinned fireball; it's 2 separate fireballs, going off at the same...

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Re: Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

Ah, forgot about the instantaneous duration thing. That covers twinned fireball.However, a spell that delivers constant damage over a duration would not stack: Despite causing damage, they would...

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Re: Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

Acid arrow has a duration. To me, that means the magic continues to affect the target, and then falls under the multiple castings rule.See, this is where you have it wrong. The spell doesn't affect...

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Re: Bonuses / penalties from the same source do not stack?

I can see you mean "not directly affecting the target." Using the SR: No seems like a reasonable guideline.What about a spell that causes the target to burst into flame, and then take damage each...

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